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Now that was a stopping poet... Thanks Iktomi.

Glarundis wrote:

Iktomi wrote:aristoteles, socrates, pitagoras

I think you meant, Aristotle, Socrates and Pythagoras

Huh i actualy agree with glar to some degree. But music should be viewed as manifestation of social conditions:) remember realy enjoying aristotle in general but laughing my ass off to plato...that cave thing is soo enlightening maaan anyway platos take on music actualy involves cencorship. Right from the begining of the republic he says that any poetry or music about gods shouldnt reflect human like actions. Insted they should be more divine saints that should inspire us to be like. Later on most of platos writing become context for the development of christianity. But then again ancient greeks practiced little messed up father kid relations and write poems such as zeus having sex with women in form of a... Bull.

Kat Asherstone wrote:

Glarundis wrote:

Iktomi wrote:aristoteles, socrates, pitagoras

I think you meant, Aristotle, Socrates and Pythagoras

lol sorry, i didn't even realize i was writing the names in portuguese, i just wrote them and that was that

Andoriel wrote:Right from the begining of the republic he says that any poetry or music about gods shouldnt reflect human like actions. Insted they should be more divine saints that should inspire us to be like. Later on most of platos writing become context for the development of christianity.

true, atleast to some extent, direct or indirectly, there is influence on the first big "thinkers" of christianity. i'm right now reading st augustine (augustine of hippo) "confessions", and he says a bit what plato says there, not about music, but about epic stories (iliad, aeneid alnd such). but you get a bit of the same with nietzsche and the apollonian and dionysian. but remember that st augustine was maniqueist before he became a christian, so all of that follows the same line of thought. maniqueism was influenced by christianism and greek philosophy, plato's world of ideas and world of flesh, etc etc, and then maniqueism also influenced in turn st augustine which influenced christianity, etc etc [insert philosophical discussion] xD

i haven't yet read plato's republic, but i got here waiting on the list of "important" books to read

Wtf does that have to do with anything.. Stay on topic and take your circlejerk to it's own thread.

İts kinda related but ohh well, ok bro.
Glar if i ever come to portugal we are siting down for a chat, beers are on me.